Michael Stuart: Dorion's Best Trade: Welcome to the Quarterfinals!

Pageau.....all day

all week

and all year

Ideally the Isles drop out in the play ins, that means the pick can be no worse than 15th I believe... and, if Dorion can package couple other picks along with it he may be able to move into the top 10 and snag someone who drops.

As much loved as the dzingal and Karlsson trades are pageau has to be the best in terms of value traded out vs return. Very few gm’s in the league would give up what the isles did for a 3rd line Center.

IMO the pageau trade is Dorion’s best trade. It’s the only “big trade” where you can honestly say, at the time the trade was made, Dorion actually fleeced another GM. There are some trades that look great 1-3 years later, but that we’re considered by many to be at best even, and more likely losses for Ottawa........only with hindsight and some crazy luck, have they become slam dunks for Ottawa.

If you take hindsight and luck into consideration, than obviously the Karlsson deal was the best........but if you just look at the trade when it was made, and the expectations of the assets AT THAT TIME, than the pageau deal was BY FAR his best trade.

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I liked the Karksson trade the best, he wanted out of Ottawa badly like all our other stars who got traded. The return Ottawa got from this trade will be hard to beat.

Pageau was a local boy who made good, we loved him. I heard that shortly after his 4 goal night against Montreal he went to Giovanni’s restaurant on Preston Street and when the patrons there saw him broke out in a chorus of Pageau, Pageau Pageau! When has staid, boring Ottawa done something like that! He was loved here! Dorian got a kings ransom for him and sped up the Sens rebuild but Pageau will be missed!

So, we are actually within calling distance of the lottery draw.

I hit the tankathon button every morning. I have never had the result come up with Ottawa/San Jose at 2 and 3. Often get 1 and 4 as well as 2 and 4. However, the most common outcome is 3 and 4.

I will be happy with any result, including 5 and 6.

Still keen to see Sens take Rossi and I believe he will still be available at 5. My favourite outcome is 1, 5, 15 and 33. Lafreniere, Rossi, (Zary, Jarvis or Mercer) and Lapierre.

So, we are actually within calling distance of the lottery draw.

I hit the tankathon button every morning. I have never had the result come up with Ottawa/San Jose at 2 and 3. Often get 1 and 4 as well as 2 and 4. However, the most common outcome is 3 and 4.

I will be happy with any result, including 5 and 6.

Still keen to see Sens take Rossi and I believe he will still be available at 5. My favourite outcome is 1, 5, 15 and 33. Lafreniere, Rossi, (Zary, Jarvis or Mercer) and Lapierre.
- spatso

I'm hoping the team picks a hard nosed defenceman who controls play in our end and is still able to quickly move the puck up ice to the forwards. It would be great to pick one of Braden Schneider, Kaiden Guhle with a later pick. Ideally we get 2 elite forwards with our first 2 picks unless Drysdale is deemed to be the best choice by the scouts.

Less than 2 weeks to the draft lottery...

I'm hoping the team picks a hard nosed defenceman who controls play in our end and is still able to quickly move the puck up ice to the forwards. It would be great to pick one of Braden Schneider, Kaiden Guhle with a later pick. Ideally we get 2 elite forwards with our first 2 picks unless Drysdale is deemed to be the best choice by the scouts.

Less than 2 weeks to the draft lottery...
- SensFan25

The Days really do blend together.

This won't be judged failry until the dude selected with the pic becomes an NHLer or a bust.

IMO the pageau trade is Dorion’s best trade. It’s the only “big trade” where you can honestly say, at the time the trade was made, Dorion actually fleeced another GM. There are some trades that look great 1-3 years later, but that we’re considered by many to be at best even, and more likely losses for Ottawa........only with hindsight and some crazy luck, have they become slam dunks for Ottawa.

If you take hindsight and luck into consideration, than obviously the Karlsson deal was the best........but if you just look at the trade when it was made, and the expectations of the assets AT THAT TIME, than the pageau deal was BY FAR his best trade.
- sensarmy_11

Just how many trades only become good a few years later, this trade could easliy become a major loss in a few years. If the dude we draft with that pick becomes a bust, then Pageau would have walked for nothing.

(Insert random person's reply about how this is such a deep draft and the pick at 15-21 couldn't possibly be a bust)

Ideally the Isles drop out in the play ins, that means the pick can be no worse than 15th I believe... and, if Dorion can package couple other picks along with it he may be able to move into the top 10 and snag someone who drops.
- riceroni

In that scenario, wouldn't the team with the 10th pick want to keep it then to snag that guy that dropped ? If Ottawa would prefer 10 over 21 and 33, why wouldn't another team also prefer 10 over 21 and 33?

In that scenario, wouldn't the team with the 10th pick want to keep it then to snag that guy that dropped ? If Ottawa would prefer 10 over 21 and 33, why wouldn't another team also prefer 10 over 21 and 33?
- PavohnDatsvares

I think you are pretty close to the truth. Lots or writers quoting scouts who suggest.

Tier #1 Lafreniere stands alone as the elite talent of this draft
Tier #2 Byfield and Stutzle are a cut above other top talents
Tier #3 About 5 guys including Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale, Holtz and Raymond
Tier #4 All the way from 9 through to 50 is loaded with very strong talent.

Once you get beyond 8 there is a very good chance you are going to draft a very high end NHL performer. No guarantee that if you trade from 15 down to 10 that you will get the better player.

Michael Stuart: Dorion's Best Trade: Welcome to the Quarterfinals!
- Michael_Stuart

is it possible islanders go out early and then win first overall. would ottawa then have picks 1 3 and 4

is it possible islanders go out early and then win first overall. would ottawa then have picks 1 3 and 4
- bosman

Lottery Protected, so then it would be a 2021 pick. I'd much prefer taking what ever pick they'd get at 12-15 ish then rolling the dice for next year.

I think you are pretty close to the truth. Lots or writers quoting scouts who suggest.

Tier #1 Lafreniere stands alone as the elite talent of this draft
Tier #2 Byfield and Stutzle are a cut above other top talents
Tier #3 About 5 guys including Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale, Holtz and Raymond
Tier #4 All the way from 9 through to 50 is loaded with very strong talent.

Once you get beyond 8 there is a very good chance you are going to draft a very high end NHL performer. No guarantee that if you trade from 15 down to 10 that you will get the better player.
- spatso

Agree 100% with the rankings of "Tiers"

Question: If Ottawa was to get the 15th overall pick from NYI (loosing to Panthers) would you trade this 15th pick + a second rounder to move up to 10th overall; NJs' pick. NJ has 3 1st rounders, but NO 2nd or 3rds.

Lottery Protected, so then it would be a 2021 pick. I'd much prefer taking what ever pick they'd get at 12-15 ish then rolling the dice for next year.
- david22

I agree 100% David...... it's a deep draft, Sens have had TONS of time, watching videos, having interviews. This is the best case scenario from a draft perspective.

It's crazy to think that Tkachuk, Chabot, Norris, etc will ALL have about 10 months off from hockey games. The team should be so refreshed but also might be a bit rusty

Agree 100% with the rankings of "Tiers"

Question: If Ottawa was to get the 15th overall pick from NYI (loosing to Panthers) would you trade this 15th pick + a second rounder to move up to 10th overall; NJs' pick. NJ has 3 1st rounders, but NO 2nd or 3rds.
- AlfieisKing

I've thought about the matchup between the isles and panthers a bit lately.

On paper, i think the Panthers are heavy favorites, but the Isles are well coached and well structured. If Bob could find his game again I don't think Florida would have too much trouble.

I would make the trade you put forward, but I think it may cost more, unless its Ottawa's second. It gets more expensive to trade up the higher you go. They traded the 22 overall to the New York Rangers in exchange for No. 26 and 48.

It cost a third to move one spot to draft Brown at 11.

I'm confident that at some point in the draft we'll see Dorion trade up though, more likely in the second round though.

To Ottawa
10th overall pick

To New Jersey
21st overall pick
33rd overall pick
74th overall pick

To Ottawa
10th overall pick

To New Jersey
21st overall pick
33rd overall pick
74th overall pick
- AlfieisKing

I would not do this deal. Ottawa is going to get a very good player at #21. I have convinced myself that Hendrix Lapierre will still on the board at the top of the second round due to his concussion history. I think only the Devils and Sens have the draft pick depth to take a risk on him and I believe Ottawa gets him with the 33rd pick overall.

To Ottawa
10th overall pick

To New Jersey
21st overall pick
33rd overall pick
74th overall pick
- AlfieisKing

I'd do it. Jersey won't...

I'd do it. Jersey won't...
- SensFan25

Maybe if the pick winds up around 15.

So, we are actually within calling distance of the lottery draw.

I hit the tankathon button every morning. I have never had the result come up with Ottawa/San Jose at 2 and 3. Often get 1 and 4 as well as 2 and 4. However, the most common outcome is 3 and 4.

I will be happy with any result, including 5 and 6.

Still keen to see Sens take Rossi and I believe he will still be available at 5. My favourite outcome is 1, 5, 15 and 33. Lafreniere, Rossi, (Zary, Jarvis or Mercer) and Lapierre.
- spatso

Last Thursday was Team 1200’s Shaun Simpson’s turn on Tankathon. He got Ottawa picking first and second. The first was San Jose’s pick. Could you imagine if this result actually happens! It won’t but it is possible.

I'm hoping the team picks a hard nosed defenceman who controls play in our end and is still able to quickly move the puck up ice to the forwards. It would be great to pick one of Braden Schneider, Kaiden Guhle with a later pick. Ideally we get 2 elite forwards with our first 2 picks unless Drysdale is deemed to be the best choice by the scouts.

Less than 2 weeks to the draft lottery...
- SensFan25

If this is what you are hoping for then you want Jake Sanderson not Jamie Drysdale. Sanderson is bigger and tougher and has zoomed up the charts to the point some have him ranked the best D Man in the draft.